The naked witch
Joined: Mar 30, 2003
Posts: -7
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:01 am Post subject:
well theres a few wackos in any pack but I think in the majority of cases most
people are sensible enough to be rational about things and there would n`t be a
mass panic, you can never account for some religions though
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e3
Intermediate
Joined: May 04, 2003
Posts: 21
Location: Back in AZ!
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:33 am Post subject:
Well, I always have an opinion on everything. My guess is:
I agree with the above poster who said something about the wacko's panicking. I
believe that for the most part, the public would be very curious; I would expect
any site where aliens were admitted to be would find itself mobbed with curious,
obsessed, malevolent and other basic "mob oriented" folks.
I tend to believe that most people have a very agnostic view regarding aliens;
"I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised. " Therefore, actual mass
panic would really be unlikely; whereas in the 60's when the concept was really
starting to take flight, panic WOULD have been inevitable.
I am certain that the primary goal of our government, if they actually grew the
nads to admit the obvious, would then be to protect the other worlders. Any
celebrity would tell you that even a dedicated fan can be dangerous; and as with
anything we don't understand, the temptation to harm them would be great among a
huge number of people.
It would seem I contradicted myself between those two paragraphs; but, panic is
much different than focused violent intent. An easy example is WWII vs. the Iraq
situation. We panicked when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and in response bombed
the living shit out of two cities, indescrimantently killing millions...that was
panic. We saw much focused violent intent in Iraq...the only "panic"
that was going on then was that of the poor, sick, dying and helpless Iraqis who
were fighting two enemies at once; an oppressive government, and an invasive
one. Now that I've gone off politically, I'll tie it back into aliens.
There would be plenty of people who would be threatened by the admitted presence
of the beings; many "disbelievers" would suddenly be faced with embarrassment
of their errors...shame is one of the quickest paths to violence. Sadly, I
believe that an open admission at this point is really out of the
question...there is simply too much potential for focused, violent reaction from
the people.
Now, if our manipulative and underhanded government would go about readying the
people for a few years, rather than attempting to convince us there IS NOT
extraterrestrial life....the chances of success would be far greater. As long as
the official stance is "no way" the chances of successful integration
is zilch; not only now, but for a generation.
Moral of the story: VOTE.
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do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss yours. --Stephen F Roberts
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Lorien
Intermediate
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Posts: 26
Location: America
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:26 pm Post subject:
Let's say tomorrow morning at 8 A.M., the President gets on TV from Area-51 and
shows us and the entire world the remains of aliens, alien spacecraft and
technology - perhaps even some live alien specimens or sentient beings. He
provides incontrovertible proof for all to witness. He tells us what we've
learned about them and their technology. He tells us what we don't know and the
best scientific hypotheses about what we might have or may be facing. In short,
the rumors are validated and he goes public with absolutely everything.
I don't know what will happen, but I'd strongly expect the following:
All stock markets, commodity exchanges, and currency exchanges would close
immediately and not reopen until further notice. What's the value of Intel if
there's alien technology that blows away microchips? What's the value of Ford or
American Airlines or Exxon if there's antigravity or transporter technology?
What's the value of General Foods or even gold (or money) if there are
replicators? What's the value of Duke Energy if there's cold fusion technology?
And what about the impact of particle beams, phasers, shields, cloaks,
holographs, robotics, medical scanners, and who knows what types of other
devices and weaponry - maybe even faster-than-light and/or time travel?
Uncertainty in the market breeds panic selling - and this would throw just about
the biggest monkey wrench into the works that I can imagine. Even if many of
these advances weren't announced, people would speculate. God only knows what
would occur if/when they ever open, though I'd expect a major selloff the likes
of which have never been seen or even conceived - breaking through every
implemented total crash failsafe.
All banks would close - no withdrawals permitted until further notice (to
prevent what would almost certainly otherwise be a run on the banks as people
try to withdraw everything - especially in face of the market closings).
Religious leaders would freak out taking every possible position - even within
the same faith and probably the same parish. They're God (or Gods). They're
angels. They're devils/demons. They have or don't have souls. They do or don't
go to heaven, limbo, hell, or wherever. We should or shouldn't worship them. We
should or shouldn't take arms against religious persecution or fear of
persecution or "faithless" aliens. Total chaos within hours if not
minutes.
Because of the economic problems, people would rush to buy anything they could
get their hands on. Everyone would be afraid of running out of essentials. Mob
scenes at the grocery stores, Wal-marts, Home Depots, liquor stores, drug
stores, and sporting goods stores - assuming the clerks who work there even
bother to go to work rather than go on their own hoarding binge. Milk, toilet
paper, ammunition, canned goods, salt - all sold out within the first few hours
or even minutes. Lack of cash and problems verifying check or credit
transactions (because of phone congestion or other system problems) - along with
long delays created by massive customer demand and curtailed staff will cause
looting and plain out robbery (and no doubt quite a few assaults and murders).
Four mile backups at the gas pumps. Remember, panics generally start not because
people panic, but because EVERYONE feels everybody ELSE is going to panic.
Self-fulfilling prophesy. Single incidents will spread the expected panic like a
wildfire and quickly escalate into full blown riots. Police, fire, and ambulance
personnel will be overwhelmed and probably incapable of even moving due to
traffic jams.
Everyone who was going to have a heart attack in the next year will have one.
Everyone who's scheduled to give birth within the next 30 days will go into
labor. Car accidents everywhere. Phenomenal spike in suicides and attempted
suicides. Hospitals overwhelmed with people who are dying, injured, or simply
frightened.
Every contingency plan for nuclear, chemical, biological, or terrorist threats
will be simultaneously implemented at the individual, government, and military
levels (because nobody has a plan for aliens and these would be the only things
they'd know to do). The U.S. Military will immediately go to DEFCON-2 if they
hadn't already done so in anticipation (for defensive and communication
reasons). I'd be surprised if the President's speech didn't include immediate
activation of the National Guard and Martial Law. All other nations will go to
equivalent defensive postures. We'll be as close to the brink as we've ever
come, with those in control experiencing the very worst of all possible emotions
- fear and confusion. Given the enormous advantage of controlling the air (as
proven in the recent U.S./Iraq war), imagine how daunting control of space would
be. If we last more than 24 hours without major world wars, it would be
miraculous.
Forget SARS or Ebola. Fears of "the Andromeda Strain" or "The
Puppet Masters" or "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" or a similar
apocalyptic biological holocaust would run rampant. Borders would close.
Airports would only handle arriving flights - and maybe not even that. People
put up plastic sheets with duct tape and suffocate in their bedrooms.
Every national leader will scream for access to the alien secrets. Even if we
provide them all, nobody will believe us. The thinking will be "My God, if
they've told us THIS, just imagine what they HAVEN'T told us." More fear
and confusion.
Phones will be totally overwhelmed as everyone tries to call everyone else all
at the same time. The internet will crash from a massive wave of simultaneous
inquiries from everyone, everywhere, all at once. 911 will ring busy for hours
if not days.
...all this and much more within the first day or even few hours.
Does anyone honestly think people are going to sit back and say, "Oh, so
there are aliens. Cool. Now I'll go drop the kids at school and then off to work
at the office. Oh, and honey, don't forget to order the flowers for your
sister's graduation."
...and That's why they'd never intentionally announce it. Only a very gradual
process over decades would avoid panic. If I were in charge of releasing the
information, the amount and speed of what we've heard is just about the pace I'd
choose for the release. Very little is to be gained by doing it quickly - and
the risk is true biblical apocalypse.
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e3
Intermediate
Joined: May 04, 2003
Posts: 21
Location: Back in AZ!
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject:
Ah....you believe the panic theory. While I disagree that everything would shut
down, due to our far more accepting nature *as opposed to previous generations*,
I agree that immediate exposure would be negative.
I also believe that technology stocks would boom...much MORE to look into..Just
who is doing it first.
As far as a money run...nahhhh...
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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss yours. --Stephen F Roberts
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Entrailsgalore
Guest
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:43 am Post subject:
Where do you think the Micro-Chip came from? They gave us the technology for it,
we have just built upon the technology they gave us. I'm sure they have things
better then the microchip, I'm sure they have the technology for a 100ghz
processor, when we're only at 4 ghz.
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Lorien
Intermediate
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Posts: 26
Location: America
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:50 am Post subject:
entrailsgalore wrote:
Where do you think the Micro-Chip came from? They gave us the technology for it,
we have just built upon the technology they gave us. Im sure they have things
better then the microchip, I'm sure they have the technology for a 100ghz
processor, when we're only at 4 ghz.
Jack Kilby from Texas Instruments (a Nobel laureate in Physics for his work in
this area) and Robert Noyce from Shockley Semiconductor who helped found
Fairchild Semiconductor in 1957, are jointly credited with the creation of the
integrated circuit�most people refer to it as the microchip. Both had worked
in that industry and their invention was a logical next step in the development
of semiconductor technology. You might find the following book very informative:
Microchip: An Idea, Its Genesis, and the Revolution It Created
By Jeffrey Zygmont
Perseus Publishing December 2002
Where do you get the idea that microchips came from aliens? There was no
gigantic leap of technology involved. Every single step in its development
follows a very logical (though highly innovative) process. Subsequent advances
have progressed along a rather linear curve of doubling every 18 months or so (Moore's
Law) - though it recently accelerated due to advances in mass production
techniques for micro devices. Simply because there exist human geniuses such as
Kilby and Noyce (and Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking, Richard
Feinman, and countless others) who can invent or conceive things that leave most
of us in awe doesn't mean that they got their inspiration from aliens (unless,
of course, you consider people that smart to BE aliens. ).
Still, semiconductors will eventually reach a point where the basic materials
will be a constraining factor in increased speed. I doubt we'll ever see a
100ghz semiconductor microchip processor - though I'm reasonably certain a
100ghz processor (probably using nanotechnology or organic technology) will be
available in our lifetimes. Unless concurrent advances (miniaturization and
transmission speed) occur in motherboards and other internal computer components
(especially connectors and storage devices), such speed will not be fully
realized due to those limiting factors. A computer is only as fast as its
slowest component.
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entrailsgalore
Guest
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:24 pm Post subject:
I should have been more specific. I know they didn't just say " here's a
microchip, you might find it useful for something". I'm just suggesting
that the microchip was influenced by certain technology we have gotten from
non-earthlings. Anything is possible, they could have the technology for a
100ghz processor, we wouldn't need one though, 4 ghz is enough for today's
computers. But our technology wasn't that great until the 1940s, when we
developed the atomic bomb, and UFO's began revisiting the earth. After the
1940's, out technology just kept getting better and better at a high rate. In
just 15 years the microchip more than doubled in speed. It wasn't untill after
the 1940's were we saw things like the microchip, aurora, sr-71, flat screen TV,
hot pockets. I'm just suggesting that certain technology they brought to this
earth influenced the microchip, and many other things that we use daily and don't
even know. hey, Nsync is still alive, so anything is possible.
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Jim
Old Timer
Joined: Jun 01, 2003
Posts: 129
Location: CT USA
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:52 pm Post subject:
Microchips, processors and cpu's are made up of 100's of transistors. the
transistor is 3 conductors with a piece of silicon sand between two conductive
legs. I believe the transistor might be alien technology for these reasons:
1. Wreckage of Roswell crash was sent to Bell Labs in mountainside NJ for study.
Transistors were announced and made public 1947 about 6 months after the Roswell
crash. The announcement came from Bell labs In Mountainside..
2. Transistors were an invention 100 years before its expected time. You can
search the entire desert and not find one grain of silicon sand..
that's the only argument I have that I can find factual info about.. many many
of our inventions were of our own findings. Teflon, super glue, etc, but a
transistor was sooooo earth shattering and time changing, it just might have
been alien technology....
and yes all our electronic products use transistors and make this possible.. it
did away with old tube radios
If you believe there were crashed UFO's, I don't see how someone could not
believe alien technology influenced our past. In a crashed UFO scenario, the
first and up most important part would be to master this technology.. With
technology, we are as good as dead
