Military Researching Gravity and Gravitational Fileds

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November 14, 1989

ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) — In our continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another installment of the KLAS-TV program being aired in Las Vegas, Nevada featuring Bob Lazar, who has ‘come out of the closet’ so to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs.


Just over this ridge [showing a photo of Area 51], tucked inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of the universe may be unfolding. The area is designated S-4, and according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors scientific achievements that would astonish our deepest thinkers. It is technology that, if it exists, could change the world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds.

Lazar: “It’s not an overall government project. It’s not something that Congress appropriates money for. 2 billion is for this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars. It doesn’t go like that. I don’t believe that they have any knowledge of it at all.”

The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond flying saucers. An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships to produce their own gravitational fields, he says, such a technology, if real, would answer UFO skeptics who argue that aliens could never visit Earth because the distances between worlds are too great, even at the speed of light.

Lazar: “Gravity distorts time and space. Just like if you had a water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle. It warps it down like that — that’s exactly what happens to space. Imagining that you were in a spacecraft that could exert a tremendous gravitational field by itself you could sit on any particular place and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp space and time, and fold it. By shutting that off, you’d click back and you’d be a tremendous distance from where you were but time would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off. I mean it is so far fetched, people….it’s difficult for people to grasp, and as stubborn as the scientific community is they’ll never buy it, but this is, in fact, that’s just what happens.”

Actually, Lazar’s explanation is very close to mainstream scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein. The difference is scientists regard it as theory only. There is much that science still doesn’t know.

Dale Etheridge (Scientist): “There are people who say that our main problem with that is we don’t know what gravity is. It’s this magical force that acts at a distance. We can describe how it behaves — that’s what the law of gravity is — it’s just a description of how it behaves, but it says nothing about what gravity really is.”

We’ll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific thought. He says we cannot produce gravity; that there’s no such thing as a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out a way to get around the speed of light. He also concedes, though, such things are possible.

Etheridge: “Yeah. And really we don’t know what’s possible as there could be other civilizations out there several hundred years or so — a thousand years, even a million years ahead of us — that have found a way to circumvent this. We have no way of knowing for sure.”

Lazar: “Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness everything. It’s the missing piece in physics right now. We really know very little about gravity.”

At least that’s the way it used to be. Lazar says the technology to harness gravity not only exists but is being tested at S-4. And, if such technology is beyond human capabilities, it must have come from someplace else. It’s more than conjecture, he says, because he also saw an element that cannot be found on the periodic chart. The element, called 115, can be stored in lead casings much like this one [showing a lead circular container]. Lazar says the government has 500 pounds of it, and it cannot be made on earth.

Lazar: “It would be almost impossible; well, it is impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth.”

Interviewer: “At least right now.”

Lazar: “I don’t think that you can ever synthesize it. The amount of….you essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it with protons if….atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been produced naturally.

And what sort of place is that?

Lazar: “Next to a much larger sun where there would be greater mass. Maybe a binary star system — a super-nova — somewhere where there is just a bigger release of energy to synthesize these things naturally. It has to be a naturally occurring element.”

115 is the fuel for the anti-matter reactors, he says. By bombarding 115 anti-matter is produced. A kilo of anti-matter could produce the energy equivalent of 46 ten-megaton hydrogen bombs, and comparing the energy potential of anti-matter to, say, the Hoover Dam would be like comparing planets to grains of sand. 115 could also make one heck of a bomb.

Lazar: “We’re talking about hundreds and hundreds of megatons off a small piece of it. It sounds incredible, but total conversion of matter to energy would release that amount of power. And it isn’t that difficult to take….get the energy out of it. So it’s not something you’d ever want to fall anyone’s hands.”

The dangers associated with 115 and anti-matter may be the reason Lazar was hired to work at S-4. There was an accident, he says, back in April 1987. An accident that was passed off as an unannounced nuclear test.

Lazar: “Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one of the people that were to replace these guys.”

Is this why the government might be keeping the whole matter a secret? Because of the military potential of alien technology? Lazar says he believes the Soviet Union was once part of our research on the flying disks, but that the U.S. kicked the Soviets out after making some sort of discovery. He also believes the program at S-4 is operated with funds allocated to Star Wars research, but says he can’t prove it. Some UFO researchers suspect the government is test flying alien craft so that it can one day master the technology and claim it was made in the good old U.S.A., thus obscuring the possibility of alien visitations.

Stanton T. Friedman: “I think they have the duty to inform us. At least to the bare bones of what’s going on. I don’t want technological stuff put out on the table. I mean, I worked on classified projects for 15 years, and I don’t think we need another weapon’s delivery system. But I think the government does have the responsibility to release information that, indeed, the planet is being visited. Probably it should be done in conjunction with the Soviets.”

Lazar: “I don’t think that it will get to that level. They’re not going to have a fleet of them and fly them around and….I don’t think you need to do that. If you’re looking at them from a weapons point of view, you’re looking at an incredibly powerful device. You only need one to operate. You don’t ever need to come public with it. You may want to learn more about it should it ever break which is….might be what they’re doing. Uh….”

Interviewer: “They’ve got one….”

Lazar: “Oh, they’ve got a few. Yeah.”

Lazar is the first to admit that his story is tough to swallow. He submitted to polygraph exams that opened up sensitive parts of his personal life, and fully expects to be ridiculed or perhaps punished for his revelations. His desire to explain what really happened at S-4 took us to Layne Keck, a licensed experienced hypnotherapist who quietly and privately tried to help Lazar remember details of the many briefing papers he says he read.

Keck: “I have no clue as to what we were getting to, and he started saying that there were pictures of what I thought was desks on the wall. Well as it turned out, it was disks that he was referring to. And, at that moment, I realized we were into something that was pretty heavy.”